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Muninn · Postby **Muninn** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:52 pm

Um, I don't get the joke? But apart from that I think there's a general problem with where the character's are standing. It is always the cow that talks first yet you put him on the right of the panels, however it's very likely the reader will read what's written on the left hand side of a panel first. One way to sort this is to have one speach bubble on top of the other which you did on the last panel. But this is usually for situations where a certain character has to stand in a certain place for the comic to work, this isn't required here. A little long-winded and friendly advice.

Gizensha · Postby **Gizensha** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Jacob @ Jul 3 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Um, I don't get the joke? But apart from that I think there's a general problem with where the character's are standing. It is always the cow that talks first yet you put him on the right of the panels, however it's very likely the reader will read what's written on the left hand side of a panel first. One way to sort this is to have one speach bubble on top of the other which you did on the last panel. But this is usually for situations where a certain character has to stand in a certain place for the comic to work, this isn't required here. A little long-winded and friendly advice.  </td></tr></table>  ...I can only speak from basic user interface theory here, but in general within western society, the eye starts at the top left hand side of a page, and works to the bottom right hand side of the page. However, again this is user interface theory, the human eye will take a completely arbitary path from top left to bottom right unless directed. And no, I have no idea how you'd apply that to comic strip layouts. Anyway, rather funny strip.

Bocaj Claw · Postby **Bocaj Claw** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:53 pm

Thanks for the comments/criticisms/cryptic advice so far. And don't worry, I want to improve so long-winded and friendly advice is welcome. The strip layout I blame on inexperience: The cat is on the left because I drew him first. Hopefully, with practice my skills will improve. I based the layout on the way that I read comics: I read from the top to the bottom so any word balloons on the top I read first. As for the joke, I'm sorry if it doesn't make any sense and I will explain it if you want although that might ruin the humor (what little of that there is <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /> ).

Tom Flapwell · Postby **Tom Flapwell** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:45 pm

I just know that I and my family always read the topmost words first. Then again, I also have no problem with characters walking to the left, despite DCS having said it upsets the flow when reading panels left to right.

VisibilityMissing · Postby **VisibilityMissing** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:00 am

OK, I drew this one just because of the conversation above and it is still really a rough draft. . . An UNCONVENTIONAL progression on SIGN CONVENTION in electricity and magnetism: Maxwell on the Right Hand Rule.

Bocaj Claw · Postby **Bocaj Claw** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:07 am

Gah! I remember this rule from physics class. Caused me no end of trouble <!--emo&

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VisibilityMissing · Postby **VisibilityMissing** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:10 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Bocaj Claw @ Jul 3 2005, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Gah! I remember this rule from physics class. Caused me no end of trouble <!--emo&

--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />  </td></tr></table>  It's especially bad when you use your left hand . . .

Bocaj Claw · Postby **Bocaj Claw** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:14 am

Wouldn't you know it: I'm a lefty <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Gizensha · Postby **Gizensha** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:22 am

Just to confuse matters, the same guy had a left hand rule as well. I like it. Though I thought it was for a given direction of a current, causes a motion in blah direction if the north pole of a magnet is facing blah direction. It's been a couple of years since I did physics, though, so what do I know?

VisibilityMissing · Postby **VisibilityMissing** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:25 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Gizensha @ Jul 3 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Just to confuse matters, the same guy had a left hand rule as well. I like it. Though I thought it was for a given direction of a current, causes a motion in blah direction if the north pole of a magnet is facing blah direction.  </td></tr></table>  Yes, just be careful with the left hand rule. Actually, it works both ways . . . direction of current due to change in magnetic field and direction of magnetic field due to current . . . it's just soooo crazy that way <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Gizensha · Postby **Gizensha** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:35 am

I've been threatening to actually do a bit of a sketch for some time now on the chat, so here we are. <img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/G ... sketch.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ...The unfortunate thing about this is that it is one of my better pictures. As in, I wasn't tempted to gouge my eyes out after finishing. And yes, I do suck with erasers, thanks for asking.

Supersmoke · Postby **Supersmoke** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:40 pm

It's a start. Use references.

Rooster · Postby **Rooster** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:41 pm

Go over the pencil with Ink, then get rid of as much of the pencil as possible with erasers. Then when you scan, scan in Black and White. The scanner will only pick up the black areas and not the pencil if set up right. The quality should look like this pre-photoshop version of my character Seamus.

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:51 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Gizensha @ Jul 3 2005, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I've been threatening to actually do a bit of a sketch for some time now on the chat, so here we are. ...The unfortunate thing about this is that it is one of my better pictures. As in, I wasn't tempted to gouge my eyes out after finishing. And yes, I do suck with erasers, thanks for asking. </td></tr></table>  Note: IMAGE REMOVED from quoted section I admit it isn't half bad for a first attempt. Any time I make a first attempt at any human or anthromorph character it turns out frustratingly aweful. I don't know why, it just does. My third attempt us usally tollerable, and it gets better from there. I prefer paints, chalks and pastels and the like, as they are easier for my mind to work with, not so much my hands. As for erasers, you have to choose pencil lead and erasers that are well matched. I recommend a 0.9mm "HB" or "B" for sketching, with a gum eraser for softer surfaces (like newsprint or various soft surfaces) and a Polymer eraser for harder surfaces (or any surface that will bond to the gum eraser, such as canvis) Edit: removed image from quoted section to bring post down to reasonable size.

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Rooster @ Jul 4 2005, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Go over the pencil with Ink, then get rid of as much of the pencil as possible with erasers. Then when you scan, scan in Black and White. The scanner will only pick up the black areas and not the pencil if set up right. The quality should look like this pre-photoshop version of my character Seamus. </td></tr></table>  Oh, that looks so much more like you're personality. If I get my new computer soon, I'll photoshop it for you, if you don't mind. It's you're choice whether or not to use it. Note: separated from above post for legnth.

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