Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

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Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby NonsenseWords » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:14 am

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Y'know... both Ozy and Millie are kind of being jerks during this arc. So Avery's having some fun with his sloganeering; it's not like he's rushing to to the two of them to shout slogans in their ears. He just tells them what his idea is and then they try to talk him into a corner to realize how stupid he's being. The only time he actually went up to them was the first strip-- all the other times it seems they specifically seek him out to try and humiliate them.

C'mon, you two, just let him have some fun.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Bocaj Claw » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:29 am

This is, of course, not intended to be an accurate portrayal of how coolness works. I honestly have no idea how coolness works.
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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Tom_Radigan » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:14 pm

This is who actually was Prime Minister of Laos at the time of the comic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisavath_Keobounphanh

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Muninn » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:57 pm

Y'know... both Ozy and Millie are kind of being jerks during this arc. So Avery's having some fun with his sloganeering; it's not like he's rushing to to the two of them to shout slogans in their ears. He just tells them what his idea is and then they try to talk him into a corner to realize how stupid he's being. The only time he actually went up to them was the first strip-- all the other times it seems they specifically seek him out to try and humiliate them.
I thought the reason was what you said, to show Avery "how stupid he's being". His method is bound to run out of steam sooner rather than later and all those fairweather friends are going to relegate him back to the uncool table at lunchtime with Ozy and Millie.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby NonsenseWords » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:51 am

So they just expect him to stop? He's having fun. It might result in a bunch of 'fair-weather friends', but Avery seems to be in his element when he's doing these inane little things. He's pretty clearly enjoying himself (even before this scene where he has admirers; just walking down the street spouting his slogan left him pretty happy), so why are they trying to rain on his parade?

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:18 am

Even if they want him to realize this method won't work there are better ways then trying to make him think he is stupid.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Bocaj Claw » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:39 pm

I've said it before. Ozy and Millie are kind of huge jerks to Avery. And vice-versa. I really don't understand why they're friends.

Actually, Avery and Stephen seem to get along better than either of them gets along with Ozy or Millie.
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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby nickspoon » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:17 pm

The reason Ozy and Millie don't really have any friends at school is because they're basically huge jerks to everyone. Mystery solved.
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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:05 pm

That is sort of true. They think their view points are the only valid ones and leave no room for anything else.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Arloest » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:58 pm

That is sort of true. They think their view points are the only valid ones and leave no room for anything else.
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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Muninn » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:42 am

So they just expect him to stop? He's having fun.
False fun.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby NonsenseWords » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:24 am

So they just expect him to stop? He's having fun.
False fun.
Because I'm sure he'd much rather be eating lunch with the people who have been belittling and degrading him every time he embarks on one of his wacky schemes.

How can you call it 'false fun', anyway? What does that even mean? He's tricking himself into thinking he's having a good time? Yeah, it falls apart a little while later, but little kids get wrapped up in silly things.

It's not Ozy and Millie are supporting him in any way, either. If my friends had done something like this back in the day, I would have been out there helping to hand out fliers or trumpeting the slogan from the jungle gym or even forming a 'rival corporation'; these two just try and tell him he's a moron and doomed to fail, and make snide comments behind his back.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Muninn » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:01 pm

So they just expect him to stop? He's having fun.
False fun.
Because I'm sure he'd much rather be eating lunch with the people who have been belittling and degrading him every time he embarks on one of his wacky schemes.
And the same people who are there to accept him at school the moment his popularity drops. The ones who're there when he's down on his perceived luck.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby NonsenseWords » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:31 pm

The moment?

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That's 'the moment' his popularity drops.

Here's the next interaction with Ozy:

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And Ozy is clearly not trying at all to make him feel better about the situation. He's got his nose in a book and is humming 'Ice Ice babby' as a subtle jab at Avery. He's certainly not listening to him, despite having been literally right there when everybody else left.

The next strip is Avery moping in his house, and the one after that is when he returns to his open seat at the lunch table. The first thing Millie says is "You're not out advertising yourself?", which means she didn't pay any attention whatsoever to his moping the prior day, and Ozy clearly didn't see fit to mention that Avery was feeling down in the dumps because it didn't work.

They tolerate him. They don't seem to be friends in any real sense of the word; they all happen to share a lunch table (with Stephan, too, whom I'm also pretty sure they aren't exactly enamored with).

It's fine to not be friends with people, is the thing; if I knew Avery I probably wouldn't want to be friends with him, either, although he's the kind of annoying that you don't really turn away from the lunch table because he's kind of sad. Thing is, I wouldn't go out of my way, as Ozy did earlier in the arc, and try to undermine his entire plan, or go up to him and explicitly say "If you're cool, I'm the prime minister of Laos", or just constantly make fun of him behind his back. Kid's clearly enjoying himself for what little time he has being the center of attention, just let him do his thing.

Unless they're jealous and trying to tear him down so he comes crawling back to their table and winds up lowering himself back to their level, relegated to the loser table, ignored or bullied by the popular kids.

/utterly ridiculous over-analysis


And to cut it off before it comes up, no, I'm not looking for ways to hate the comic, and I don't hate the comic. I've been enjoying it, actually, and for all my whining about how Ozy and Millie are jerks in this arc (and they really are), I've been enjoying this arc, too. The only one I really haven't enjoyed so far has been the Neighborhood Association arc.

It's just that there are things about this comic that deserve to be pointed out because I'm quite certain they weren't authorial intent but they really do raise eyebrows. Overall, this is a pretty cute, unassuming, inoffensive comic, which makes these particular bits a lot more jarring. I'm willing to attribute this to age; DCS didn't have a lot of experience making sympathetic characters, and wound up being rather hamfisted in his attempts at getting his point across. Almost every writer winds up doing this early in the career, and at this point he just hasn't figured out the balance yet.

Unfortunately, if he strikes a balance during the course of O&M, it's pretty much tossed aside once we get Raine Dog...




tl;dr
I like the comic but seriously Ozy and Millie are kind of jerks.

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Re: Monday, October 11, 1999: Laos

Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:26 pm

It actually makes them better characters when you realize they are jerks. It makes them more three dimensional. Sure they are still over all good people who get picked on alot for being differant, but by being jerks you get a sense of arragance from them, as if by being in the position they are makes them feel better then the normal people.


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