Christians: Perfected Jews?

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Christians: Perfected Jews?

Postby Mista_B » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 am

This is making me giggle, and I'm not sure why.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301216,00.html
COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.

DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or —

COULTER: Yeah.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.

DEUTSCH: Really?

COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.

COULTER: Yes.

DEUTSCH: You can't possibly — you're too educated, you can't — you're like my friend in —

COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.

DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean —

COULTER: We have the fast-track program.

DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.

COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.

DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel" —

COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.

DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?

COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.

DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?

COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners —

DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there's no —

COULTER: What's absurd?

DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself —

COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.

DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans," and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more "Big Idea" when we come back.

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DEUTSCH: Welcome back to "The Big Idea." During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?

COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.

DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.

COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.

DEUTSCH: But that's what you said — don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic —

COULTER: No!

DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?

COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.

DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK —

COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean (Jerry) Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.

DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More "Big Idea" straight ahead.
Seriously, giggling over here, and I haven't a clue why.
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Postby Bocaj Claw » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:05 am

Everything about that woman offends me.
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Postby CodeCat » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:15 am

Time to rein in the crazies.
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Postby FeynmanKR42 » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:06 pm

Eww.

I'm an atheist, but I like most Christians. I can't stand fundies like Coulter though.

Even worse, though, are creationists like Kent Hovind, and worst of all are the gay bashing Westboro Baptist Church... *shudder*

That said, some Christians are really awesome. Just not the fundies.

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Postby CameronCN » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:43 pm

People like Coulter should not be allowed to set themselves up as some kind of representative of Christianity. Peh!

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Postby TravisFox » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:15 pm

Eww.

I'm an atheist, but I like most Christians. I can't stand fundies like Coulter though.

Even worse, though, are creationists like Kent Hovind, and worst of all are the gay bashing Westboro Baptist Church... *shudder*

That said, some Christians are really awesome. Just not the fundies.
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Postby Tom Flapwell » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:35 pm

This isn't nearly the most offensive thing Ann Coulter has stated publicly and unapologetically. Nor do I find it particularly funny, since she's not the first to express such opinions.

Speaking as a Christian, I consider Ann pretty darn wayward.
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Postby Mista_B » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:37 pm

Talking with a friend I know, a seminary student, apparently what she's talking about up there is entirely 100% accurate and truthful in regards to Christianity.

The way he put it:
Coulter is entirely correct, and the guy she was talking to was blowing his top because he didn't quite gather two things.

1) Ethnic Jews do not = Religious Jews. Coulter was talking about the religion, not the race, though of course in the case of Judaism there's some blurring of lines.

2) She was talking about the perfection of faith, not the perfection of... *handwave* person, or race, or whateverthehell the host was jumping all over.

3) I can see where the guy got his knickers twisted; it was the combination of Coulter not clarifying that the Christian perfection is of *faith*, and the guy being, from what I could tell, completely ignorant of Christianity. But it wouldn't have gotten nearly so bad if the guy hadn't been pretty dedicated to the idea of Christianity being bigoted.
*shrug*
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Postby Zaaphod » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:54 pm

Even if Coulter is correct about something she's hard to take seriously because she's such a raving loony most of the time.
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Postby Comrade K » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:30 pm

Actually guys, I have a confession to make:
Ann Coulter is a robot I created to push forward my socialist plans by discrediting the right.

But seriously, I would never take what Coulter says as a reflection of the views of all Christians or Conservatives, though it is scary that some do agree with her.
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Postby Bocaj Claw » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:37 pm

Actually guys, I have a confession to make:
Ann Coulter is a robot I created to push forward my socialist plans by discrediting the right.
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Postby TravisFox » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:02 pm

Actually guys, I have a confession to make:
Ann Coulter is a robot I created to push forward my socialist plans by discrediting the right.

But seriously, I would never take what Coulter says as a reflection of the views of all Christians or Conservatives, though it is scary that some do agree with her.
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Postby Spray » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:15 pm

A house fell on her sister and she just hasn't been the same since.

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Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:05 pm

Talking with a friend I know, a seminary student, apparently what she's talking about up there is entirely 100% accurate and truthful in regards to Christianity.

The way he put it:
Coulter is entirely correct, and the guy she was talking to was blowing his top because he didn't quite gather two things.

1) Ethnic Jews do not = Religious Jews. Coulter was talking about the religion, not the race, though of course in the case of Judaism there's some blurring of lines.

2) She was talking about the perfection of faith, not the perfection of... *handwave* person, or race, or whateverthehell the host was jumping all over.

3) I can see where the guy got his knickers twisted; it was the combination of Coulter not clarifying that the Christian perfection is of *faith*, and the guy being, from what I could tell, completely ignorant of Christianity. But it wouldn't have gotten nearly so bad if the guy hadn't been pretty dedicated to the idea of Christianity being bigoted.
*shrug*
I was going to say. Other than her usual (I assume) hackneyed, tactless way of putting it, it's not any different from most of what my own pastor back home would say, and definitely not any different from the words of the Apostle Paul himself. Though the use of the word "perfected" doesn't sound familiar.

I'm too lazy to look up where he talks about it, and besides nobody here probably cares.


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