Model Juror

Zylo · Postby **Zylo** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:59 pm

<a href='http://www.ozyandmillie.org/2002/om20020412.html' target='_blank'>Model Juror</a> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I reported for jury duty, once. This storyline is the result.<br><br>Basically, Llewellyn's experiences are a gross exaggeration of some of my own. I expressed some opinions, one of the attorneys found them unhelpful to her case, and I was struck from the jury pool along with, it seemed to me, anyone else who'd expressed an opinion.<br><br>So I guess it's trial by a jury of peers who aren't interesting enough to be offensive to either lawyer.<br></td></tr></table> <br><br>The nerve of somepeople. Having an opinion. Well, it definately disillusions me to how effective our courts are. I don't want some guy working at McDonald's to be a member of a 12-person group to decide my fate, should God forbid anything happen. Democracy is great because the people have power. Democracy sucks because people have power. I'm a social Darwinist--only let people that have proven themselves competent serve in the courts.

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:49 pm

Ahh yes.. Sorry I didn't get to post it today; I've been unable to access this site since Sunday.<br><br>One of the reasons for the whole jury selection problem is that people with strong opinions can be difficult to persuade in a case. Often such people have already prepared a first impression before hearing the facts of the case, and unless said juror is really good about providing an impartial verdict based on the facts and evidence in the case, the results will be based on first impressions and gut feelings, which does not necessarily make for a good verdict.<br><br>On the other hand, selecting a totally isolated person would also be problematic since any of them would lack the attention span to listen to facts or to make any judgement that does not appear random or dependant on the choices of the rest of the jury. If I were to choose, I'd probably want people that do know what is going on, yet still be able to see both sides of a case and produce a verdict not cluttered by strong opinions or totally disillusioned nonsense.

MidnightRealism · Postby **MidnightRealism** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:33 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Dec 15 2003, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I've been unable to access this site since Sunday.</td></tr></table> <br>Yeah, me neither...<br> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Dec 15 2003, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> If I were to choose, I'd probably want people that do know what is going on, yet still be able to see both sides of a case and produce a verdict not cluttered by strong opinions or totally disillusioned nonsense.</td></tr></table> <br>I honestly don't know if such a person exists. It's difficult not to form a pretty concrete first impression about something, and in the case of a crime its especially hard to keep one's personal opinions out of the matter. I'm sure there are some incredibly open-minded people out there...but I don't think that we could have a "permanent jury" setup.

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:00 am

Needless to say, the difficulty of finding a jury of that caliber left those to select juries with making a basis using the only things they can measure, namely a person's opinions and flexibility. A person selecting a jury would be happier to choose someone that might be able to vote in their favor, and a person with a prejudice or a strong opinion is less likely to sway.

Doctor Fred · Postby **Doctor Fred** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:42 am

It's a little (okay, very) late to post a comment on this, but I just find Edwin's expresion and one-liner combined to be priceless.

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:23 am

Eh, it's not so bad, Doctor Fred. I had liked it so much I made an avatar of him.<br><br>EDIT: I really should get these things colored.

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:32 am

wow, didn't expect this to resurface!<br>hmm... my avatar (and futher edits and itterations) will contain main chars and ppl. Perhaps i should create a second set like the one i have, using those one time side chars.... hhmmmm...

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:41 am

i see... it's... it's brilliant... sick, twisted, and evil and not in a good way, but brilliant. I almost never would have thought of it. <br><br>This is so we'll be afraid to do anything wrong, see?<br><br>Either that or there are just a bunch of idiots somewhere...<br><br>...or both.

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:43 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (iyestorm @ Jan 9 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> i see... it's... it's brilliant... sick, twisted, and evil and not in a good way, but brilliant. I almost never would have thought of it. <br><br>This is so we'll be afraid to do anything wrong, see?<br><br>Either that or there are just a bunch of idiots somewhere...<br><br>...or both.  </td></tr></table> <br> wait. what?

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:57 am

admit it foxchild, you were just looking for an excuse to quote Ozy

Zaaphod · Postby **Zaaphod** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:11 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (iyestorm @ Jan 9 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> you were just looking for an excuse to quote Ozy  </td></tr></table> <br> And that's a good thing. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /> <br><br>I actually used the Ozy quote in my sig a couple days ago during a day of chaos at work. It got some appreciative laughs.<br><br>I've also used his line about "your train of thought is carrying a load of toxic waste" as well.<br>

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:07 am

three things, iyestorm! <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><br>1) I have said that many times before encountering O&M<br>2) i really am a bit confused by what you posted, i don't know what your refering to as evil<br>3) quoting ozy, especially in an incedent like that, i feel is warrented! so yes, in part i did want to quote ozy. I could do it a lot more often if i felt like it, but sparcity is my ally here.

dobbs · Postby **dobbs** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:08 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FoxChild @ Jan 10 2004, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> 1) I have said that many times before encountering O&M</td></tr></table> <br>Same here. Although I always used a comma in place of the period, making it a single sentence: "Wait, what?" I apolagize to anyone who thinks I'm corrupting a quote when I do that. I'm probably corrupting grammar, too...

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:23 pm

Nah, I think it's more correct grammar with the comma.

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:15 pm

actually, the same with the comma here too, i just thought i'd be consistant for the sake of... well, ok quoting ozy. Had i just said the way i first typed it, yes there would be a comma instead.<br>*edit* and can someone PLEASE explain what iyestorm is talking about?

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