August 1st, 2009

[cougartiger]

Also, Raine Dog better not be running for president

If I'm reading the strip right, it seems like she ran for some kind of equal rights thing.

[Quexinos]

I just know we had Llewellyn run for president a lot and I'm sorry but it was NEVER funny. First time was kinda cute but ... I just never found it funny. Of all the Ozy and Millie stories, those were always my lest favorite.

[cougartiger]

I just know we had Llewellyn run for president a lot and I'm sorry but it was NEVER funny. First time was kinda cute but ... I just never found it funny. Of all the Ozy and Millie stories, those were always my lest favorite.

I agree. I'm not a fan of political humor in the first place but those stories were just lame.

Still, the single worst O&M story EVER was "Stephen Runs Away". A way too long story in which O&M barely appear. What was DCS thinking?

[Bocaj Claw]

Character development for ancillary characters? Not that it mattered since Stephan sorta faded out of sight.

[MuffinSticks]

If I were a webcomic artist I'd be annoyed at people going "Ach, what were you thinking?!?" every time I wrote a bad storyline. DCS was doing whatever she wanted to do with her comic. She doesn't write comics for you guys, she writes them because she wants to, and chooses to share them with you. Just felt like I had to say that, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

[cougartiger]

If I were a webcomic artist I'd be annoyed at people going "Ach, what were you thinking?!?" every time I wrote a bad storyline. DCS was doing whatever she wanted to do with her comic. She doesn't write comics for you guys, she writes them because she wants to, and chooses to share them with you. Just felt like I had to say that, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. However, that does not mean we cannot express our opinions about certain storylines if we so desire.

For the record, I feel, IMHO, that O&M had a much higher rate of successful storylines than probably any other comic, web or otherwise, that I've read.

[sad jazz cantaloupe]

for the record, I think that a lot of people used to post that they LIKED the arc where stephan went to silicon valley

[cougartiger]

for the record, I think that a lot of people used to post that they LIKED the arc where stephan went to silicon valley

I'll take your word for that as I wasn't here then. Stephen had his fans and I'm sure they enjoyed the story. I didn't. To each his own. Nuff said.

[Quexinos]

for the record, I think that a lot of people used to post that they LIKED the arc where stephan went to silicon valley

I was all right with it. In fact I think Stephan was my favorite character that just showed up every so often.

I think the worst story ever was "Millie stands up for herself against Jeramy and gets screwed and nothing gets resolved."

[IceDragon]

If I were a webcomic artist I'd be annoyed at people going "Ach, what were you thinking?!?" every time I wrote a bad storyline. DCS was doing whatever she wanted to do with her comic. She doesn't write comics for you guys, she writes them because she wants to, and chooses to share them with you. Just felt like I had to say that, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Uh, I feel that this line of thinking is why DCS has been teflon-esque to our criticisms on RD. When you make a comic, you are making it for the fans, as well as for yourself. DCS has forgotten this during the last bit of O&M, and especially during RD. How can I care about a comic that was written only with the author in mind?

[Cactus Jack]

I got annoyed at the many times Ozy or Millie were mistreated by school officials because they are differant since it pretty much always played out the same and showed a very biased one sided view of authority.

[Foxchild]

I got annoyed at the many times Ozy or Millie were mistreated by school officials because they are differant since it pretty much always played out the same and showed a very biased one sided view of authority.

As well as inaccurate of any real standings. The arc with Millie getting in trouble for hitting Jeremy? yeah, I've lived that one out, and let me tell you, a school gets to the bottom of a kid, who's normally not violent, snapping and taking a swing at another.

It's a constant "I'm a victim!" thing.

[MuffinSticks]

If I were a webcomic artist I'd be annoyed at people going "Ach, what were you thinking?!?" every time I wrote a bad storyline. DCS was doing whatever she wanted to do with her comic. She doesn't write comics for you guys, she writes them because she wants to, and chooses to share them with you. Just felt like I had to say that, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Uh, I feel that this line of thinking is why DCS has been teflon-esque to our criticisms on RD. When you make a comic, you are making it for the fans, as well as for yourself. DCS has forgotten this during the last bit of O&M, and especially during RD. How can I care about a comic that was written only with the author in mind?

I think comic artists shouldn't care what the fans think, and if they're doing things in their comic just to appeal to their fans, then they're just a fan-whore that probably also begs for donations too much. I don't think DCS is too much of a fan whore. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just what I think every comic artist should be like. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with doing a few things to appeal to the fans, but if it gets to the point that you're changing large parts of plotlines or character designs or personalities or anything like that, then it's not really YOUR comic anymore, and if you're not having fun creating your own comic, then there isn't much point.

[IceDragon]

If I were a webcomic artist I'd be annoyed at people going "Ach, what were you thinking?!?" every time I wrote a bad storyline. DCS was doing whatever she wanted to do with her comic. She doesn't write comics for you guys, she writes them because she wants to, and chooses to share them with you. Just felt like I had to say that, feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Uh, I feel that this line of thinking is why DCS has been teflon-esque to our criticisms on RD. When you make a comic, you are making it for the fans, as well as for yourself. DCS has forgotten this during the last bit of O&M, and especially during RD. How can I care about a comic that was written only with the author in mind?

I think comic artists shouldn't care what the fans think, and if they're doing things in their comic just to appeal to their fans, then they're just a fan-whore that probably also begs for donations too much. I don't think DCS is too much of a fan whore. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just what I think every comic artist should be like. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with doing a few things to appeal to the fans, but if it gets to the point that you're changing large parts of plotlines or character designs or personalities or anything like that, then it's not really YOUR comic anymore, and if you're not having fun creating your own comic, then there isn't much point.

What about changing plotlines and having characters act very differently than they usaed to just to sooth the author's ego? Is that acceptable to you? Cause that's what DCS did. Webcomic authors need a fanbase, and need to keep it coming back for more, or else what is the point? Not caring about the fans leads to navel gazing.

DCS does not care about her fans, and has become much more of a snobby elitist bitch because of it. She rants about how the fans don't get her, because they are "normies". Her work has suffered as she has tried to ignore her fanbase.

I'm not asking for much, but I am asking for work at a level of quality that I know DCS is capable of. The problem is she seems to be too busy just staring into that navel. It's really sad to see talent go to waste like that.

[Jakkal]

You both are right. On the one Hand, every artist should draw, what he/she wants to draw. But on the other hand, he/she should listen to the fancommunity, not doing a one-man-job. Raine Dog, is morelike some kind of "therapy" to show and handle own complexes, feelings and fears. Like "diffrent" sexuality, beeing (somekind)) an outcast of the (RL)comunity and the missing acceptance of her change of gender... she tries to show her problems via RD, (more or less clearly), [perhaps this "random ploting" shows her absent-mindedness?], and tries, to get... somekind of acceptance, at least from the Online-com.. It's a 180° turnover when you look at O&M. Where it was made for us and make us laugh (most of us), it was made for the fans, but was still his comic. It's her go now, absolutly her go, so she shouldn't wonder, if this kind of "acceptance" what she desire, will not be recieved by Def.Cyn.. That's probably a reason, why she left the forum... (perhaps you can interpret those "3 colors-style", I don't think it's because it looks nice.)

oh, je! So many text... :p hopefully, you understand, what I mean...