House Rules - Tonight's top story

[KingOfKings]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Hm. Could we agree that we don't agree with each other and just leave it at that?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>No, because I know I'm right. There is nothing you can say about sitting like that makes it for a man at all, but you can for a woman. It's just more feminine than masculine.

[Gizensha]

The act of sitting knee on knee moves all relevent parts of the anatomy well out of the way.

<br><br>What? No, it definitely doesnt. Not the bottom part. That either gets pushed up with your hand, crushed down.

<br><br>It gets pushed out of the way my the movement of the leg that goes on top. The only way of crushing is if you're strange and for some reason try and place the leg on the side that they're currently dangling down on top. Even then you need to try to get any crush factor at all. (granted, I have no idea the logistics of crossing your legs if you're wearing briefs of boxer-briefs. Only boxershorts.)<br><br>

And yes, before you give that 'high heels and a skirt' comment again, this is sexist. Skirts are far more comfy than pants. I have experience of this (well, ish. It was a dress.)

<br><br>Fine, then I'm sexist for stating that skirts are for women. I don't care, it's true.[./quote]<br><br>Why are you so insistant on this? It's not like if the man living next door to you wears a dress or a pair of jeans and a t-shirt effects you, or anyone. It's simply his choice. And he should be just as entitled to wear a dress as the woman living next door to you is of wearing pants. And do people look at her funny if she's wearing pants? No. (and if you're answer to that is 'yes', you're living in a different century to everyone else)<br><br><br>

To suggest that this propper way is different for men and for women is sexist.

<br><br>Men and women are different. Deal.

<br><br>Physically and neurologically, yes. Socially, no. And this is a discussion on the social distinction, not the phsyical one.<br><br>

How are Scottish men who are wearing a kilt meant to sit?

<br><br>Well, in Scotland, wearing a kilt is proper and ordinary. In America, or anywhere else, where a skirt is NOT proper or ordinary. It's call CULTURE.

<br><br>Kilts aren't skirts. Try again.<br><br>Also, this is an international forum. I, myself, am half Scottish and half English. Never worn a kilt in my life, though.

[KingOfKings]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> It gets pushed out of the way my the movement of the leg that goes on top. The only way of crushing is if you're strange and for some reason try and place the leg on the side that they're currently dangling down on top. Even then you need to try to get any crush factor at all. (granted, I have no idea the logistics of crossing your legs if you're wearing briefs of boxer-briefs. Only boxershorts.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>No, see, it doesnt get pushed out of the way unless it was on your leg to begin with, in which case youd just be placing it between your legs anyways. The only way you wont touch it is if its pulled up, towards your stomach. Which it does not do naturally. And Im talking about boxers, which is what most people wear.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Why are you so insistant on this? It's not like if the man living next door to you wears a dress or a pair of jeans and a t-shirt effects you, or anyone. It's simply his choice. And he should be just as entitled to wear a dress as the woman living next door to you is of wearing pants. And do people look at her funny if she's wearing pants? No. (and if you're answer to that is 'yes', you're living in a different century to everyone else)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Insistent on WHAT? That skirts are for girls? You think skirts aren't for girls? What backwards country do you live in? Pants are for boys AND girls. Skirts are NOT. And in a way, skirts being for girls and not boys is just as inane as a type of sitting being for girls and not boys. Why shouldnt boys wear skirts? I have no idea. But they just dont. There are reasons behind it. People associate skirts with girls. Some people do the same thing with sitting.<br><br>I dont recall ever caring what anyone wears or does. I just think that if youre a boy and you wear a skirt, you're not wearing traditional boy clothes, the same youre not sitting the traditional boy way. And they're both about appearance.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Physically and neurologically, yes. Socially, no. And this is a discussion on the social distinction, not the phsyical one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Yes, even socially, they're different. Girls have different social habits than boys. Girls talk on the phone, go to the mall, go clothes shopping, get their nails done, and other stereotypical things that are usually true. (Millie doesn't count as a counter-example) Boys usually don't. And no, dresses are not about social distinction, theyre about appearence, use, and form. They look like theyre for girls, and they ARE for girls. You don't have to wear a skirt for people to tell you're socially a girl.<br><br>And sitting is also about appearence. It doesn't look like something someone who isn't wearing a business suit would do. Can you imagine a football player sitting like that? I sure as hell can't.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Kilts aren't skirts. Try again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>They're the same thing. <!--emo&-_---><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /sleep.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sleep.gif' /><!--endemo--> Theyre just made out of different fabric.

[Dr. Doog]

We're not saying that skirts or leg-crossing in general aren't/isn't for girls, we're just saying that they are not solely for them. In your own words:<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I don't care, it's true.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Deal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br><br>Also, since you're so accepting of these things that you obviously are saying you don't think are necessarily right but other people do, you seem to be a conformist living in a fascist world of sexist cultural lies. Welcome to the 21st Century, "Deal."

[KingOfKings]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> We're not saying that skirts or leg-crossing in general aren't/isn't for girls, we're just saying that they are not solely for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Well, dresses aren't solely for women either. Neither is getting your nails done. Or putting curlers in your hair. But guess what the intended audience is?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Also, since you're so accepting of these things that you obviously are saying you don't think are necessarily right but other people do, you seem to be a conformist living in a fascist world of sexist cultural lies. Welcome to the 21st Century, "Deal."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>No, I'm just saying I don't care if he sits like a girl, BUT HE SITS LIKE A GIRL. Everyone I know agrees. I don't care if he sits like a girl, but he does. All evidence shows that that style of sitting is far more suited for women than men.<br><br>If I was conforming in a fascist world, I would be prying Ozys legs apart. But I accept his alternative sitting lifestyle. It's cool, some of my best friends sit like that.

[Dr. Doog]

I sit like a guy, not a girl. I am sitting in this alledged "girl" style right now, but the mere fact that I am a guy who is sitting is what makes me sit like a guy<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> It's cool, some of my best friends sit like that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd-->Do you point out to your friends that they are sitting in a stupid pansy incorrect girl way too?

[KingOfKings]

No, because I was joking. I don't know any boys who sit like that. I do sometimes, but not on purpose, and Ive never seen anyone do it in public.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I sit like a guy, not a girl. I am sitting in this alledged "girl" style right now, but the mere fact that I am a guy who is sitting is what makes me sit like a guy<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Okay, so you're a sitting guy, but you're not sitting in a style meant for guys. Its girly.

[Dr. Doog]

<!--QuoteBegin-KingOfKings+Jul 24 2005, 03:28 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (KingOfKings @ Jul 24 2005, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I sit like a guy, not a girl. I am sitting in this alledged "girl" style right now, but the mere fact that I am a guy who is sitting is what makes me sit like a guy<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Okay, so you're a sitting guy, but you're not sitting in a style meant for guys. Its girly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> so basically, you're calling me girly based on a stereotype you claim to not even believe? that's hipocrisy right there.

[simon]

serious business<br><br>This conversation is hilarious. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Bocaj Claw]

I don't understand why you guys would want to argue about who sits like who when we could be gossiping about Timulty's fifteen minutes of fame.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> No, see, it doesnt get pushed out of the way unless it was on your leg to begin with, in which case youd just be placing it between your legs anyways. The only way you wont touch it is if its pulled up, towards your stomach. Which it does not do naturally. And Im talking about boxers, which is what most people wear.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Uhh. Right. So, they're on your leg. You move your other leg over the first leg, sliding them to one side. This is basic physics combined with male anatomy. Any other way making your legs go knee on knee is just awkward to get into.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Insistent on WHAT? That skirts are for girls? You think skirts aren't for girls? What backwards country do you live in? Pants are for boys AND girls. Skirts are NOT. And in a way, skirts being for girls and not boys is just as inane as a type of sitting being for girls and not boys. Why shouldnt boys wear skirts? I have no idea. But they just dont. There are reasons behind it. People associate skirts with girls. Some people do the same thing with sitting.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Insistant that skirts are exclusively for girls. The only reasons for it in modern society are people like you who freaking complain whenever people violate they're artificial and sexist constraints on what is socially acceptable and not. Conformists are fine, as long as they don't freaking complain when someone decides not to conform. Boring, but fine. And before you say that you're not complaining, if you weren't complaining, we wouldn't even be <b>on</b> this topic of discussion. People associate braided hair with girls and computers with guys. I know at least one female programmer and often have my hair braided. Association is not the same as 'not acceptable for the other gender'.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Yes, even socially, they're different. Girls have different social habits than boys. Girls talk on the phone, go to the mall, go clothes shopping, get their nails done, and other stereotypical things that are usually true. (Millie doesn't count as a counter-example) Boys usually don't. And no, dresses are not about social distinction, theyre about appearence, use, and form. They look like theyre for girls, and they ARE for girls. You don't have to wear a skirt for people to tell you're socially a girl.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I know an equal amount of shopping obsessed guys as I do girls. (one each. Seriously. Me and another guy pretty much parted company with a pair for the afternoon when in Poland once, so we could do things other than walk into the same two shops three times alternately. Sadly, the guy I wound up wandering Krakow with wound up with the girl later that week, so I wound up doing the multi-times in one shop. The girl into shopping was also into football (as in, soccer. Before you say anything about soccer being a girl sport it's considered a guy sport over here. Which doesn't stop me disliking it or women I know liking it)).<br><br>Dresses don't look like they're for girls anymore than pants look like they're for guys. Or at least, the basic shape of them doesn't. They just make them loose at the chest for extra room. Dresses being about 'appearance and use' suggests to me you have objectification of women issues. But I wouldn't dream of actually suggesting any sort of diagnosis over the internet is at all valid. Just letting you know what it looks like is all.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> And sitting is also about appearence. It doesn't look like something someone who isn't wearing a business suit would do. Can you imagine a football player sitting like that? I sure as hell can't.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Easially. Why?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> They're the same thing. <!--emo&-_---><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /sleep.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sleep.gif' /><!--endemo--> Theyre just made out of different fabric.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Completely different. The fabric is simply an element of the kilt, it's the way they hang (dunno the actual term for it), which in combination with the fabric is distinct from any skirt I've ever seen.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Also, since you're so accepting of these things that you obviously are saying you don't think are necessarily right but other people do, you seem to be a conformist living in a fascist world of sexist cultural lies. Welcome to the 21st Century, "Deal."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Well, I was planning on introducing him to the 20th century before the 21st century myself...

[Dr. Doog]

<!--QuoteBegin-5hfifty+Jul 24 2005, 06:56 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (5hfifty @ Jul 24 2005, 06:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> serious business<br><br>This conversation is hilarious. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> <!--emo&:P--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> I know, isn't it?

[KingOfKings]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> so basically, you're calling me girly based on a stereotype you claim to not even believe? that's hipocrisy right there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Well, sitting like that isn't the most manly looking position, so yes. And no, what I believe is that sitting like that is intended for girls, I don't believe guys shouldn't do it. You can do what you want.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Uhh. Right. So, they're on your leg. You move your other leg over the first leg, sliding them to one side. This is basic physics combined with male anatomy. Any other way making your legs go knee on knee is just awkward to get into.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Um, no. When you lift your leg up to move it over your other leg, 'it' doesnt get moved up and away, it gets moved down into a newly created pocket. Then, when you put your leg down, youre slightly smushing part of your balls.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Insistant that skirts are exclusively for girls. The only reasons for it in modern society are people like you who freaking complain whenever people violate they're artificial and sexist constraints on what is socially acceptable and not. Conformists are fine, as long as they don't freaking complain when someone decides not to conform. Boring, but fine. And before you say that you're not complaining, if you weren't complaining, we wouldn't even be on this topic of discussion. People associate braided hair with girls and computers with guys. I know at least one female programmer and often have my hair braided. Association is not the same as 'not acceptable for the other gender'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I'm insistent that skirts are exclusively for girls because they ARE exclusively for girls. Why the hell do you think skirts are usually in the WOMENS section of clothes store and never the mens? If you don't think so, just run around in a skirt or dress all day and see how people react. I'm not COMPLAINING that Ozy is sitting like a girl, I'm STATING that Ozy is sitting like a girl. Can you not grasp this insanely simple concept that I've sad 5000 freaking times?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I know an equal amount of shopping obsessed guys as I do girls. (one each. Seriously. Me and another guy pretty much parted company with a pair for the afternoon when in Poland once, so we could do things other than walk into the same two shops three times alternately. Sadly, the guy I wound up wandering Krakow with wound up with the girl later that week, so I wound up doing the multi-times in one shop. The girl into shopping was also into football (as in, soccer. Before you say anything about soccer being a girl sport it's considered a guy sport over here. Which doesn't stop me disliking it or women I know liking it))<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Oh, so because you know a girl who likes football, I guess the majority of girls do too! Yeah, I see girls playing football ALL THE TIME. Wait, no I don't! And it's the sam e for guys and shopping. If I did some searching I could find a guy who likes shopping, but that doesn't Im wrong. Being girly =/= being a girl. There are set stereotypes for how or girl should act in our minds. If I asked you to think of a gender after naming certain nouns or verbs, for some words you would say girls, and for others, you would say guys. Except it seems you believe boys and girls act exactly the same, as if boys and girls have the same amounts of testosterone, estrogen, and other hormones. They don't. That's what causes us to act differently. The more testosterone (the male hormone) you have, the more manly you act. The more estrogen you have, the more womanly you act. Some boys have less testosterone and more estrogen than other boys, which by definition of genetics makes them more womanly than your testosterone packing man. <br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Dresses don't look like they're for girls anymore than pants look like they're for guys. Or at least, the basic shape of them doesn't. They just make them loose at the chest for extra room. Dresses being about 'appearance and use' suggests to me you have objectification of women issues. But I wouldn't dream of actually suggesting any sort of diagnosis over the internet is at all valid. Just letting you know what it looks like is all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Okay, you're trying WAAAAYYYY too hard to look like you're not sexist. If dresses aren't for girls, then go ahead and wear one in public from now on. And yes, they do look like theyre for girls. If boys wore clothes that didn't cover themselves up very well, you would be able to see their bulges.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Easially. Why?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Maybe because with buff legs its almost impossible to do correctly because you cant move your legs over it as much? And it looks stupid?<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Completely different. The fabric is simply an element of the kilt, it's the way they hang (dunno the actual term for it), which in combination with the fabric is distinct from any skirt I've ever seen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>Let's look at the dictionary defintion of a kilt, shall we?<br><br># A knee-length <b>skirt</b> with deep pleats, usually of a tartan wool, worn as part of the dress for men in the Scottish Highlands.<br><br>I win.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Well, I was planning on introducing him to the 20th century before the 21st century myself...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>And in the 21st century, SKIRTS ARE FOR GIRLS.

[Dr. Doog]

um... when Giz says football he's refering to soccer. he even put soccer in parintheses.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> football (as in, soccer. Before you say anything about soccer being a girl sport it's considered a guy sport over here. Which doesn't stop me disliking it or women I know liking it)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>----------<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> If boys wore clothes that didn't cover themselves up very well, you would be able to see their bulges.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>*that picture of Dick Cheney that shows <i>his</i> bulge* <!--emo&:P--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Some boys have less testosterone and more estrogen than other boys, which by definition of genetics makes them more womanly than your testosterone packing man.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>There are two types of people. Men and Women. All men are men. all women are women. are you arguing that men who do things you consider girly are part woman? they're not. they're still men.

[KingOfKings]

<!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> are women. are you arguing that men who do things you consider girly are part woman? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>I didn't say that. You're confusing "are women" with "act like women."<br>And yes, your average women does act differently than your average men. If you don't believe that...you're hopeless. But some men happen to be genetically closer to women than others.<br><br><!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>   um... when Giz says football he's refering to soccer. he even put soccer in parintheses.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>......And...?