New Pope Selected

Jerry Roosevelt · Postby **Jerry Roosevelt** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:57 pm

<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4462077.stm' target='_blank'>Link</a> It's the German Ratzinger.

VisibilityMissing · Postby **VisibilityMissing** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:43 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> April 19, 2005 Thousands Cheer in St. Peter's Square as New Leader Emerges By IAN FISHER and CHRISTINE HAUSER VATICAN CITY, April 19 - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the Roman Catholic Church. The new pope then appeared on a balcony overlooking the square as thousands cheered below. It was a moment that thousands of people in St. Peter's Square had been waiting for. Long streams of Romans hurried to St. Peter's Square and horns blared as people rushed to learn who was selected. People cheered and clapped at the white smoke and deep resonating ringing of the bells, signs that the Vatican had said would indicate that the new pope had been chosen. There was a lag of several minutes between the appearance of a first wisp of smoke curling up from the chimney and the ringing of the bells, adding to the uncertainty that many people waiting in the square had endured this morning, and after the cardinals started their conclave on Monday afternoon, when there were questions about the color of the smoke. But several minutes after the first wisps appeared this afternoon, the bells started to toll, swinging heavily back and forth. The crowd raised their hands, cheered and clapped. Earlier in the day, black smoke rose from the chapel, telling the crowd on the square that cardinals locked inside had taken two more votes and not chosen a successor. Of eight conclaves since 1903, only two earlier ones had ended after two days, the last in 1978 when Cardinal Albino Luciani, patriarch of Venice, was chosen and took the name John Paul I. He was considered a favorite going into the conclave. This time, the leading figure has been Cardinal Ratzinger, John Paul II's hard-line defender of church doctrine. Vatican experts had said opposition to Cardinal Ratzinger was strong going into the conclave, but there appeared to be no obvious compromise candidate. Two thirds, or 77 votes, was needed to become the pope in the early stages of voting. In keeping with centuries of tradition, the cardinals were locked away to choose a new leader for the Roman Catholic Church and its 1.1 billion members. Their deliberations are also, in theory, completely secret, so not only are the ballots themselves burnt but also any notes taken during the session. As on Monday, St. Peter's Square welled with thousands of spectators - nuns, priests, tourists, Italians. The faithful debated whether it should be a conservative or a moderate; an Italian or Latin American; Cardinal Ratzinger, or someone of his choosing, or someone opposed to him and his more doctrinal beliefs. "It's a little bit nerve-wracking," said Patrick Harvey, 40, of Washington, D.C., a Catholic who happened to be in Rome and has gone to the square to watch the smoke both times. "It's a very pivotal time for the church whether it will go to the left or the right or the center." One of the closest collaborators of John Paul II, as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Ratzinger has been the Church's doctrinal watchdog since 1981. He has been described as conservative, and as the current Dean of the College of Cardinals he is widely respected for his uncompromising if ultraconservative principles and his ability to be critical. Ian Fisher reported from Vatican City for this article and Christine Hauser from New York. Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company</td></tr></table>

Tom Flapwell · Postby **Tom Flapwell** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:39 pm

I may be wrong, but becoming the sixteenth of any name seems like a strong sign that you're going to be doing things the same way as many before you. Nice not to be kept in suspense for very long, anyway. Also nice that he's a non-Italian, even if Germany isn't far off.

Arloest · Postby **Arloest** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:22 pm

He was also a nazi during WWII.

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:33 pm

... *raises index finger* *is tempted to make a comment, but won't.* *puts index finger down again*

Zaaphod · Postby **Zaaphod** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:07 am

It should be pointed out that it was compulsory for German boys at the time to join the Hitler Youth, so he had no choice. He was allowed to leave it, however, because he was studying to become a priest.

Softpaw · Postby **Softpaw** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:47 am

I find it odd that this is the same guy who was deemed "too conservative to be the pope" at the start of all this. Yet he's the one who gets the job? Fun times at the Catholic church [rolls eyes]

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:41 am

I wasn't aware that they didn't welcome conservatism with open arms.

Softpaw · Postby **Softpaw** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:18 pm

Well, a lot of moderate-to-liberal catholics were hoping for a more open-minded pope, but instead, they elected the most divisive fundamentalist they had.

Jerry Roosevelt · Postby **Jerry Roosevelt** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:07 am

Don't worry, I predict he'll be gone in less than 18 months. BONUS: The next pope will be a John.

Muninn · Postby **Muninn** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:36 pm

We've already had John Paul, the next Pope needs to be George Ringo.</badjoke reference="The Beatles">

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