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Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ozymandias @ Dec 9 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> lol, not offensive as in a pic of sum1 giving you the finger, but offensive as "in your face". I was saying that it doesn't draw attention from the post it's beside, but when you look at it, it looks complete and "sturdy", if you get what I mean. That guy's the guy from Kill Bill, Pong Mei or something, and he has a cool green sword, only speaks cantoese, can punch through wood at two inches, has a beard he keeps stroking - and to top it all - can make peoples' hearts expolde - with a time delay!  </td></tr></table>  *splodes*

Ankaris · Postby **Ankaris** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:15 am

*Thread Hijack* Pai Mei. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> *De-Hijack*

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:53 pm

lol <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> wasn't that far off - but whatever: 8/10: beardy bloke's cool!

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:21 pm

Sirjeffrey: 10,000,000/10 - I can't do flash worth crap. But MAN!! That's just awesome. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> Ankaris: 8/10 - Cool. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> Ozymandias: 7.5/10 - Also cool. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Ibun · Postby **Ibun** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:24 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Talitha @ Dec 15 2004, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Sirjeffrey: 10,000,000/10 - I can't do flash worth crap. But MAN!! That's just awesome. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> Ankaris: 8/10 - Cool. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> Ozymandias: 7.5/10 - Also cool. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />  </td></tr></table>  You think that's awesome? Kid Radd, which is where it came from. Still by far the most amazing webcomic I've ever seen. <a href='http://www.kidradd.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kidradd.com/</a>

Supersmoke · Postby **Supersmoke** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:00 am

Jeff: Floaty. 10/10.

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:47 am

7.5/10 . it made me chuckle, and it doesn't say "owned!" so i like it enough <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />

Muninn · Postby **Muninn** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:59 pm

Foxchild - 8/10 (Would've gotten a nine, but there's no necklace.)

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:48 am

FoxChild's would have to be a 9.5/10 I like the way the fur is done, and his facial expression is so deep. As for Jacobs, it's a 5/10, it would have been a 6/10, but it's a GIF, when he should have used a PNG for that type of image, thus it has more distortion than it should be, and likely won't view on some browsers due to patent issues with the GIF encoding.

Richard K Niner · Postby **Richard K Niner** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:27 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ruedii-X @ Dec 18 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> ...it's a GIF, when he should have used a PNG for that type of image, thus it has more distortion than it should be, and likely won't view on some browsers due to patent issues with the GIF encoding.  </td></tr></table>  Actually, the use of the GIF format is entirely appropriate: Firstly, the image is greyscale, so it can be limited to a palette of 256 colours. Secondly, there is no transparency necessary, so there shouldn't be any halo problems alleviated using PNG encoding. Thirdly, GIF uses lossless compression, like PNG, so there is no distortion. Finally, despite the fact that GIF is a proprietary format, ever graphical browser fully supports it; PNG support only appeared over the last few years, and still isn't full supported in some browsers. Therefore, I find your assessment of a penalty on the format unjust and not reflective of a free and democratic society, and appeal it's application in this case.

Ruedii-X · Postby **Ruedii-X** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:15 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Richard K Niner @ Dec 18 2004, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ruedii-X @ Dec 18 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> ...it's a GIF, when he should have used a PNG for that type of image, thus it has more distortion than it should be, and likely won't view on some browsers due to patent issues with the GIF encoding. </td></tr></table>  Actually, the use of the GIF format is entirely appropriate: Firstly, the image is greyscale, so it can be limited to a palette of 256 colours. Secondly, there is no transparency necessary, so there shouldn't be any halo problems alleviated using PNG encoding. Thirdly, GIF uses lossless compression, like PNG, so there is no distortion. Finally, despite the fact that GIF is a proprietary format, ever graphical browser fully supports it; PNG support only appeared over the last few years, and still isn't full supported in some browsers. Therefore, I find your assessment of a penalty on the format unjust and not reflective of a free and democratic society, and appeal it's application in this case. </td></tr></table>  First, PNGs can do 256 Grayscale, but most programs default to RGBA 32bit and have to be overriden, second PNG standard encoding has is lossless, but both formats can have their compression enchanced by mild distortion to paterns. On a line etched pattern with high line density, the PNG standard is superior. To prove to you here is the modified form, compressed with standard Apple tools, not even as good as the GNU tools I have on some of my other computers. This image is half the size of the GIF 3rd, the PNG algorithm is free, while the GIF commpression algorithm has been charged for recently in violation of the agreement when it was added as a "standard format" for the W3C html standard. Additionally, the PNG algorithm is further compressed by bzip/bzip2, gzip and compress type HTTP header compression, while GIF's algorithm causes GIF files to actually INCREASE in size when trasmmitted by this method, while PNGs can reduce transmition bandwidth by as much as 50%. Finally, GIFs have been deprecated by W3C and have been listed for possible removal from all but legacy support in XHTML 2.x. Here is the image recompressed as a 16 color PNG. I didn't even do full antialiasing refiltering on this, as it was a quick recompress to 16 color palleted PNG. I use 16 palleted colors on pen and ink to support adiquite anti-aliasing, as the standard grey pallet is not correct. A quick note, none of these images will compress with Gzip, as an image file needs to be at least 8KB to get efficiant compression on the Gzip algorithm, excluding XPM, which is technically a source code data format, and is thus considered a text file, and highly compressable by such algorithms.

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:10 pm

Personally, I don't think the format really matters when judging the avatar

Richard K Niner · Postby **Richard K Niner** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Ruedii-X @ Dec 19 2004, 06:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> First, PNGs can do... </td></tr></table>  While I agree with the fact that PNGs are a superior format, I will point out that you are criticising it based on future recommendations from the W3C. At the moment not even all the presently current recommendations are supported. For instance, the <a href='http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/' target='_blank'>SVG</a> format is older than the current version of <a href='http://www.w3.org/TR/PNG/' target='_blank'>PNG</a>, and there isn't even a single browser offering native support for it. In addition, at least <a href='http://www.doctor-html.com/agent_stats/' target='_blank'>3.9% of internet users</a> use versions of Internet Explorer offering NO support of the PNG format (versions strictly less than 5.5). Thus, though PNG is a superior format, its lack of support for a significant share of the market means that it shouldn't be used exclusively as a replacement of GIF. And I reiterate: docking points on the basis of using an older, more widely supported format is unjust.

Muninn · Postby **Muninn** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:05 pm

Wow, judging according to format, that was pretty stupid/misconcieved. And i repeat what Ozymandias already said. So let's all calm down. Richard K Niner - 8.5/10 (it's the one wearing sunglasses and smiling) Ozymandias - 6/10 (sorry, despite it being original art i don't like it too much) Ruedii-X - 0/10 (you don't seem to even have an avatar, or is that zen?)

Richard K Niner · Postby **Richard K Niner** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:11 pm

Jacob: 8/10 - you've got fine taste, sir! And, BTW, the Av you rated there just so happens to be the newest one in my rotation.

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