Another birthday

[Dr. Doog]

...OF JESUS<br><br>well, whether or not he was born on december 25th is disputable.<br><br>so is whether or not he was born at all.<br><br>and I don't believe in Jesus.<br><br>but anyway, Merry Christmas, and "fooled you! <!--emo&:P--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> "

[DesertFoxCat]

Jesus?<br><br>He's a forum member? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br><br>Uh-oh <!--emo&:flee:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/flee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='flee.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[johndoe0028]

Jesus...interesting fellow.<br><br>Happy Dec. 25th to people!<br><br>(My grandfather's birthday is today)

[Muninn]

It's funny because the topic is called "Another birthday," then the first line in the post goes, "...OF JESUS". So some might think Jesus has multiple birthdays, and some older members may remember a certain person who used to make multiple birthdays each year.

[Tom Flapwell]

I wouldn't say his birthday is "disputable." Even the Church acknowledges that there's no particular reason to believe it was December 25 and not, say, May 6. They just chose a day to observe and stuck with it.

[Blue Blur]

Jesus actually did exist, it's just whether or not he was born on the 25th that's not a definate. You can't not believe in someone who really did live. Now, God, on the other hand, is your choice whether or not he is real.

[GhostWay]

<!--QuoteBegin-Tom Flapwell+Dec 26 2005, 04:15 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tom Flapwell @ Dec 26 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I wouldn't say his birthday is "disputable." Even the Church acknowledges that there's no particular reason to believe it was December 25 and not, say, May 6. They just chose a day to observe and stuck with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> The most likely reason they chose the 25th is because it is the birthday of a Christ figure from Zoroastrianism, Mithras. It's known as "Dies Natalis Solis Invicti", or "The Birth of the Unconquered Sun". The reason Christmas shares the same day is likely because Zoroastrianism was a very popular "underground" religion in Rome right up until Christianity burst into popularity. The church may have chosen to celebrate Christmas on the 25th in an effort to win over the Zoroastrians, despite the fact it's far more likely that Jesus was born sometime in the spring.<br><br>Either way, Christmas is still a far more enjoyable holiday than one involving sacrificially slitting the throat of a pure, unblemished white bull and bathing in its blood. Happy Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, everyone!

[Dr. Doog]

<!--QuoteBegin-Blue Blur+Dec 26 2005, 12:22 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Blue Blur @ Dec 26 2005, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Jesus actually did exist, it's just whether or not he was born on the 25th that's not a definate. You can't not believe in someone who really did live. Now, God, on the other hand, is your choice whether or not he is real. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> do you have a photograph of him as proof?<br>I'm not saying he didn't exist, I really don't care if he did. I'm just saying, how can you prove he existed.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-DoppledangeR DooG+Dec 26 2005, 08:00 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (DoppledangeR DooG @ Dec 26 2005, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Blue Blur+Dec 26 2005, 12:22 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Blue Blur @ Dec 26 2005, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Jesus actually did exist, it's just whether or not he was born on the 25th that's not a definate. You can't not believe in someone who really did live. Now, God, on the other hand, is your choice whether or not he is real. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>do you have a photograph of him as proof?<br>I'm not saying he didn't exist, I really don't care if he did. I'm just saying, how can you prove he existed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Well you can't, but there's supposedly more evidence supporting his existence than Julias Ceaser. Reguardless, there is no doubt in most historians minds that Jesus existed.

[Dr. Doog]

I'm not sure if I even said jesus didn't exist. he's dead now and I don't know him so I don't think about whether or not he existed.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-DoppledangeR DooG+Dec 27 2005, 02:49 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (DoppledangeR DooG @ Dec 27 2005, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I'm not sure if I even said jesus didn't exist. he's dead now and I don't know him so I don't think about whether or not he existed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> But there's a huge difference between 'existed' and 'dead'. Julias Ceasor vs Arthor Dent, for example.

[Dr. Doog]

Julius Ceasar didn't exist!?

[norsenerd]

<!--QuoteBegin-GhostWay+Dec 26 2005, 11:39 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (GhostWay @ Dec 26 2005, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tom Flapwell+Dec 26 2005, 04:15 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tom Flapwell @ Dec 26 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I wouldn't say his birthday is "disputable." Even the Church acknowledges that there's no particular reason to believe it was December 25 and not, say, May 6. They just chose a day to observe and stuck with it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>The most likely reason they chose the 25th is because it is the birthday of a Christ figure from Zoroastrianism, Mithras. It's known as "Dies Natalis Solis Invicti", or "The Birth of the Unconquered Sun". The reason Christmas shares the same day is likely because Zoroastrianism was a very popular "underground" religion in Rome right up until Christianity burst into popularity. The church may have chosen to celebrate Christmas on the 25th in an effort to win over the Zoroastrians, despite the fact it's far more likely that Jesus was born sometime in the spring.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I heard that christians chose thair anual celbertaiont o coincide with the Roman festaval for the solstice. This makes sence to me seing how christians were persecuted in early Rome and that it makes sence that they woudl chose to celebrate the same tiem the Romans were as to not look suspicious. IT woudl also make sence to me if this was the Zoroastrianists taht chsoe thsi date this was and the crhistians chose the date for ethe same reason. Man things ghet complicated....<br><br>Maybe I'm jsut overthinking.<br><br><br><!--QuoteBegin-GhostWay+Dec 26 2005, 11:39 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (GhostWay @ Dec 26 2005, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Either way, Christmas is still a far more enjoyable holiday than one involving sacrificially slitting the throat of a pure, unblemished white bull and bathing in its blood.  Happy Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, everyone!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Say it ain't true! SAY IT AIN'T TURE!<br><br>*runs away criing heavaly*

[The J.A.M.]

Well, happy birthday Yeshua HaMashiach!

[Muninn]

I've always thought of Jesus as a folk figure of sorts, like Robin Hood. There either was a man who inspired the Jesus legend or the legend was drawn from the traits of several notable people of the time. Then it was set into a coherent time frame to have it gain credence.<br><br>So a person who might have been a good samaritan to the poor and disabled might not have been the same who the Romans hung on the cross (apparently a common form of death sentence at the time) but when the Christians had to establish themselves all these prominent people, which the local populace undoubtably had heard of got incorporated into the same person, therefore Jesus gained substance, prominence and even holiness.<br><br>Of course, there's also the myriad of beliefs, traditions, symbols, representations, dates and so forth that were taken from other religions and faiths.