Does order exist?

[Burning Sheep Productions]

In this case, we're talking about events that are impossible to predict...

Oooh... there is the philosophy that by observing something you change it thus you can never truley observe, but that's philosophy and this is science. And observing isn't quite the same as predicting, but it's used in a prediction so I guess it counts.
There could be other means of detecting stuff that we do not know of.

[DesertFoxCat]

there is the philosophy that by observing something you change it thus you can never truley observe, but that's philosophy and this is science

I thought that was called the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, or does it not count because it's talking about quantum mechanics?

[Burning Sheep Productions]

That article is over my head, I can't comment any further.
I think I got the idea that even if you have an infinitely accuracte measuring thing you can't get both values of position and momentium, but I don't understand why.

I thought it couldn't have an exact position anyways...

[DesertFoxCat]

The uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics is sometimes erroneously explained by claiming that the measurement of position necessarily disturbs a particle's momentum

Oops.

That's what I was trying to say, but apparently it's not true. So never mind.

And that is why you do not argue using ideas that you don't fully understand.

*flees*

[Moddex]

I think the original thought on "Order" is for me, the most comprable. Order is nothing more than an opinion based preception, not fact. The meaning of order is no different that the meaning of good, or peace. It's nothing more than a degree we give our environment based on our opinion, our preception.

Ergo, the world is running in a parallel chaotic state, only to what degree do we concider it in order, or chaotic. This sort of thing also depends on what an individual can call chaos before acclaiming the world chaotic in the eye of the masses.

No-one can truely say whether the world is peaceful or chaotic, it's all precieved how we view it and how we evaluate it based on what we know as chaotic or orderly.

[Muninn]

How would a person from the the 10th century view a modern city? Ordered, chaotic?

[Moddex]

Once again, it's a manner of what the person's like, what he precieves as chaotic or orderly. If he was brought up in a life with vice and money, he would probably think the world's orderly and right, but if the person was brought up with a more educated, calmer upbringing, or if they are people of the countryside, they may think the world's chaotic.

[Muninn]

I don't think that answers my question at all.

[Liberal Cynic]

I would believe someone from the 10th century would think it was chaotic. The world has changed so signifigantly in the past 1000 years. We are all day running in literal circles. We follow a daily rutine of daily work, but as we work we are still going in circles. The most we hope for is organized chaos. And to get back to the fact of random's existance, I believe in the chaos theory, in which the world is built up on random couincedences (sorry for misspelling) and there is an underlined pattern of human behavior below all the chaos. But alas! Nope break through yet.

[Moddex]

And I don't believe there ever shall be. Times of great disorder and times of progress and peace work like the pendulum in a grandfather clock. right now, I believe that it's in mid swing, but in which direction? This is only my opinion on what the world is like I guess. I can't say this is either truthful or fiction.