Have you heard of peganism?

Dr. Doog · Postby **Dr. Doog** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:06 pm

erik, you are right yet wrong. BSP, you're right yet mentally wrong. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> . wicca, a PAGANISM is about magick. a wiccan is also called a witch, male r female. warlock means oath breaker, so why would one call a male wiccan a warlock?

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:36 pm

paint in pizza sauce, that'd be funny! but only do that for the most powerful rituals, as so to make sure the sacred pizza sauce does not go to waste. I'm sort of worried: If people will start wars over religion, imagine what they'll do for things as black-and-white as big sporting events. I mean, at least with religion, you can find some common ground. ...I hate sporting events. At least, I hate them here. Sumo wrestling's not that bad, once you watch it for a while. If only I could be fluent in Japanese... the sports there are IMHO much better.

norsenerd · Postby **norsenerd** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:52 pm

Ok a few more things. Of course I don't have it all planed out yet. I'm not even thinking about getitn maried at this point in my life. Just an abstraction. My views could change by the time that I marry. Also the birde might (hopefully not) have objections. The marage is waht's important so Ill be willing to give up all of the ceramony if necisary. OTher then that why not blood? IT will stink less the piza sause. But blood is waht has meaning. The cow(s), boar/pig(s) and other posable sacrifices would have to be sacraficed at the site, the temple and us be paionted. I imagine that if I actuly do go throguh with this there will be at-least one protester. That will be fun. Pananism does have magic in it. Every religion has aspects that can't be described by physics. That part would best qualify as magic. Nore paganism has two diferent types of magic: saidr and nid (proncounced sader (like saber but with a d) and (neith) adn speld somewhat diferently with the nordic characters I cannot make (or don't know how to) and of course I would prabaly spell it worng anyways). Saidr was the weaker magic. If you were good at saidr you were respected/feared. Poems in norse culture (as well as anchient gemranic and celtic) were considered sacred. Poems were writin in such stricrt form that they could be passed down/along throguh word of mouth without being changed (much). The Norse form is called Skaldic poetry. Good skalds were highly wanted and rich. If yopu compsoed a poem honoring someone then they woudl mostl likly pay you a lot. But they also belived that if you compsed a correct poepm cursing somebody or somethign that that curse woudl come true. This is the most comon trype of saidr. Other types involve runes. Runes wer letters of the old Norse alphabet. Runes were sued comonly but the Norse did not keep writen records or write down thier lititure. There were letters however and grafity. But if you use runes corectly they had magical power. The right ones could be used to curse something, give somethign/someone streighth, bring good luck, ect. They coudl also be chanted by saying the names of the runes. (for example I runic insription "TTT" could be read "Tyr Tyr Tyr" and invoce the Norse god of war). There are other types of saidr but these are the most comon. When I get a brouad sword I will inscribe Try's rune "T" in the blade and I sometimes try my hand at a saidr poem. Before I talk about nid I have to talk about a Norse phobia. It involves what I will refer to as coupaling. Typicly males couple with females. It was realy bad when two males coupled. IT was aceptable to be giving the couplaling but very bad to recieve. For a norse male to "be treated liek a women" was a very bad insult and charge. If you charged someone with this and they were found guilty then the acusee would be outlawed (ending in death or banishment) but if they were found inocent the acuser would face heafty fines as well as either renounicng their charge and making a public apology or become outlawed themselves. It was also grivous to talk abotu a women coupaling. There was nothign wrong wiht them coupaling but you just coudln't talk about it. If you infered that a feamale has coupled then you woudl have to either renounicng their charge and making a public apology or become outlawed as well as be fined. Nid is a very powerfull magic and a triky thing. There is also inocent nid. The most comon one are poles of derision. One example of this is an efagy where you show two men beign coupled. The one beign treated liek a women would thus be shuned and probably killed. The pole is sean as a cure on them. Another yould be to put an animal head on a stick to care the spriits of the land into either not sotping you form doing what you want (this is why viking ships have animal heads on the front. It was against the law to traval to a place showing an animal head in piece. If you forgot to take your dragan head of your ship you would be atacked once in port) or sometimes into doign soemthing. These are examples of good Nid, they force spirits to comit to your will. The rest of Nid is nto so clear cut. They also involve coualing witht he spirits and in such a way in which the spirit(s) give the coupaling. This means it woudl be very bad for a male to practice nid (as beign treated liek a women is a requirement) except for poles of derision (both Odin and Loki were experts of nid and were partaly shuned for it). Female sorcorers who knew nid could make quite a good living at it. This would be used to talk/fight witht he spirits, to impress your will on them, to traval aroudn without leavign your body, to shapeshift, and all other wierd stuff. This nid was very powerfull magic. The Norse learnd nid form the Laaps (raindear people; people who live, to this day, in northern scandinavia and I think northern Russia) who were experts (wihtout it beign at all tabo) and Norse women of weathly families woudl soemitmes be sent north for a few years to learn this magic. On a nother note ocasions one comes accross stories where the heros found a gorup of evil sorcerors comiting bad magic and herocily slaughtered them all which has been interpeted as a group of homosexual men geting together and comencing in sport and beign killed for doing so. That is one of the worst parts of Norse culture. I'm rahter ashamed of it's homopohbia.

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:30 am

So, it has magick involved in it, but it's not majorly about it?

Dr. Doog · Postby **Dr. Doog** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:01 pm

that depends on the religion. remember, even sorsenerd said that there are different types of paganisms. there's atleast 20 popular ones.

norsenerd · Postby **norsenerd** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:45 pm

There is much more to Norse paganism then magic. And most other types as well. Just like there is much more to cahtholosism then "magic" (like turning wine into blood). The main part of a religion arn't the rituals and traditions, it's about the beliefs and values that people hold. This is true about Paganism as well.

Caigan · Postby **Caigan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:41 pm

Haven't read allt he posts since my last one, but I saw one discrepency. Being Wiccan does not mean you are a witch. Being a witch does not mean you are Wiccan. =)

Caigan · Postby **Caigan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:54 pm

Secondary notes, this time concerning Magic (Magick, or Majick, depending on how you prefer to spell it, all 3 are viable). In essense, this quote holds true : "Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it." Something that can be called majick is something that has partially unexplainable, scientifically or otherwise, properties. To me, as one who dips into this field occasionally, it is 3 parts : 1) Mental. "casting a spell" can help with your self confidence, giving your mind a subconscious push to help you along. It is a way to work up courage. 2) Physical. Using items, focusing points, crystals, gives you an object to focus upon, helping with the mental portion. For many, abstract ideas are hard to grasp, and an actual object can help them. 3) Majickal. Yes, I will use that word here. There are explanations out there for things work, metaphysically. The concentration of the elements, alignment of the stars, the power of the mind. All are as viable as science. Why? Because science is not absolute, and neither are these concepts and theories. Take the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of stars, planets, and whatnot. Will the 'scientific facts' upon Earth remain fact somewhere else? You don't have to beleive me or anything. I just state what I have experience myself and what I feel is true. Yes, I've done 'majick' before, as I know that'll be ONE of the questions asked of me. =)

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:21 pm

Request Permission To Spam Sir! I Like Pizza Sir! Yes I Know Spamming Is Dumb Sir! *drops and gives whoever this "Sir" person is twenty. Twenty what I have no idea.* But you have to agree. there's a higher mind behind curly straws. and pizza. especially pizza.

Dr. Doog · Postby **Dr. Doog** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:47 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Caigan @ Mar 15 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Haven't read allt he posts since my last one, but I saw one discrepency. Being Wiccan does not mean you are a witch. Being a witch does not mean you are Wiccan. =) </td></tr></table>  then does worshipping jesus not mean you're a christian and vice versa? it's the official word for a wiccan. a 'witch' you think of, AKA a hag, is like saying 'no, he's not african american. he's a nigger.' unless you're a wiccan, in which case i'll go along.

Caigan · Postby **Caigan** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:29 am

Yes, I'm Wiccan. I should rephrase what I said there. It basically holsd true, but you can look at it like this. Being Wiccan doesn't mean you do 'majick'. Doing majick doesn't mean you are Wiccan.

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:26 am

I used to be really interested in magick and stuff, half believed it but never attempted it. Only because of this other guy was pumping me with sites and stories of his practisings. <a href='http://spellsandmagic.com' target='_blank'>spellsandmagic.com</a> is a good site if you're interested.

ShadOtterdan · Postby **ShadOtterdan** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:00 pm

Hmm, I saw a book on magic once, but all of the spells involved seemed like they were really tapping your confidence to do those things. However, there are things that don't really have much of an explanation, so there does seem to be magic out there, we all just scoff it though. BTW, Norsenerd, although christianity does kinda have magic in it (praying), one of those is not turning wine into blood, it's just symbolism.

Foxchild · Postby **Foxchild** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:49 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (ShadOtterdan @ Mar 16 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> ...BTW, Norsenerd, although christianity does kinda have magic in it (praying), one of those is not turning wine into blood, it's just symbolism.  </td></tr></table>  according to christianity, you are correct, but according to Catholic Church Docterite, norse is correct. Frankly, I don't really agree with that, I have my own beliefes of what the sacrement does to the bread and wine, but htat'd take a little while to explain.

Tavis · Postby **Tavis** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:00 am

Yes, FoxChild's statement about Roman Catholic belief is accurate. Roman Catholics are taught that the bread and wine of communion actually become Christ's body and blood in the ceremony. I am familar with some of the other beliefs concerning this... 1: Bread and wine transform into the body and blood. 2: Bread and wine symbolize the body and blood. 3: Bread becomes both bread and body, and wine becomes both wine and blood. I'm sure there are other interpretations, but I'm not as familiar with them.

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