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Holyman83 · Postby **Holyman83** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Talitha @ Oct 29 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> So I'm considering changing it to a furry/sci-fi/humor genre, and giving it a semi-serious storyline.  </td></tr></table>  That type of story line would grab my attention

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Septimius Severus @ Oct 29 2004, 08:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> An anthropomorphic dog owning a non-anthropomorphic dog just seems...weirdto me.</td></tr></table>  Kinda like Goofy and Pluto, no?</td></tr></table>  Yeah, that too...not to mention Rocko and Spunky...that sometimes kind of bothered me.  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Octan Posted on Oct 29 2004 @ 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Or Arthur and Pal. Or Millie wanting a pony. ...Or this. EDIT: QUOTE (Talitha @ Oct 29 2004, 03:57 PM) So I'm considering changing it to a furry/sci-fi/humor genre, and giving it a semi-serious storyline. How exactly does being sci-fi help the confusion of there being animals and anthros coexisting? I think I might know what you mean, but I'd rather hear your explanation first. </td></tr></table>  I was thinking one of these three: 1. in the far future, Antrhos are created through Human experimentation. There would at least be an explanation between the two diffrent species, (Anthros and animals) and that wouldn't bother me as much. or 2. Again, "in the far future", humans had become extinct long ago because of the evolution of anthros, who now dominate the world. or 3. Just make up a whole new universe to begin with, with the basic anthros and a bunch of other fantasy animals to serve as subordinate beings. I'm leaning towards 1# at the moment, although that would mean that humans and antrhos would both exist in that storyline. I haven't made any definite decisions about it yet. I do think I will definitly incoporate a sci-fi theme. The thing with choice 1# is that I'm considering a bit of a character overhaul.

Septimius Severus · Postby **Septimius Severus** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:40 am

Rocko was a wallaby, not a dog.

Gizensha · Postby **Gizensha** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:01 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Septimius Severus @ Oct 29 2004, 08:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> An anthropomorphic dog owning a non-anthropomorphic dog just seems...weirdto me.</td></tr></table>  Kinda like Goofy and Pluto, no?  </td></tr></table>  Micky Mouse owns Pluto, though. So it's an anthromorphic mouse who's best friends with an anthromorphic dog owning a dog (specifically a blood hound, iirc) And it was explained off in a webcomic I used to read, though I forget the name of it now (in the case of an anthromorphic feline having about three dozen cats) as having your direct unevolved form arround kinda helps you get in touch with yourself, or something similar. As for explaining humans and anthros in the same universe, you could go that 'humans are the evolved forms of chimpanzees. Anthromorphic foxes are the evolved forms of foxes". Though, to be honest, the chances of multiple sentient (and dominatory as well as humanoid, lets not go down the 'are animals sentient?' line of thought, please [why, yes they are. But like I said, lets not go down that avenue]) species evolving on the same planet seems unlikely. The sci-fi route, if you go far future enough, allows you to say that each species is from a different planet. Which could be interesting for character interactions. As for your options. 1 makes sense, from a hard-science logic. Though I'm thinking that it doesn't really work soft-science wise for various reasons. Psychology, wise, humans wouldn't bio-engineer any species capable of threatening human dominance. Thus... Anything beyond the core requirements of preforming whatever task they were engineered to do seems unlikely to me. As far as I know, it's possable to make it work soft-science. Just... Kinda hard. 2 works in my mind, but doesn't help generate a nice human/anthro interaction thing. 3 would require you to be decent at world-building from scratch, rather than just build the steps between now and when you set it. Two possibilities of generating the human/anthro mix that immediately comes to my mind are... i) Expand upon the designer babby debate that's often in the media attention. Assume that they become allowable. Also expand upon the recent request of some doctor to do extreme-plastic surgery to the medical ethics committee (not sure if he just saw a market for it or wants to do something similar to himself). Grafting artificial tails, wings, etc onto humans in a way that they would, eventually, become integrated into the person's neural map, and assume that his proposal passes at some point ever. Combine the two. These people who pay big bucks to get fox tails aren't want to have their kid thinking he's some kind of freak because he doesn't have what his parents have. And thus, gradually, over many generations, rich humans wind up being genetically anthros. Doubt that would ever get to the point where it's multiple distinct species, so you can have any character specific relationships you like, really. ii) Go with expanding upon M theory in ways it's really not intended to, and have two universes collide with each other. A human world is suddenly thrust upon an anthro world, and vice versa. Lets see how the two worlds, equivilent in more or less every way, save one has humans and one has anthros, react to this situation.

Septimius Severus · Postby **Septimius Severus** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:06 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> As for explaining humans and anthros in the same universe, you could go that 'humans are the evolved forms of chimpanzees. Anthromorphic foxes are the evolved forms of foxes". Though, to be honest, the chances of multiple sentient (and dominatory as well as humanoid, lets not go down the 'are animals sentient?' line of thought, please [why, yes they are. But like I said, lets not go down that avenue]) species evolving on the same planet seems unlikely.</td></tr></table>  But Chimpanzees are not unevolved humans. They may come from a common ancestor, but they have adapted to their environment for the past 3 million years since the ape species that generated chimpanzees and humans began to diverge into distinguishable forms. To say chimpanzees are "unevolved" is like saying sharks are "unevolved" tuna, or that frogs are "unevolved" reptiles. This suggests that evolution has direction and a goal. This is false. Evolution is the result of genetic tendencies being favored for reproduction of fertile offspring.

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:49 am

There's always a reason for everything. I know my father has gone over and over with me again that the human race doesn't need competitors, Giz, so I've "different" reasons in mind for that scenario. To be perfectly honest, I'd prefer to leave humans out, although What I was thinking for choice 1# was very intriguing. And yes, Sev, I realize Rocko was a wallaby. "Rocko's Modern Life" was one of my abosolute fave' shows to watch growing up. The point is, Rocko and Spunky are both what we would consider recessive beings in or world. The only differences between the two is that Rocko possesses intelligence, is a different species, and can walk up straight. They're both still "animals" at heart. For an animal to own another animal...I dunno. It's just one of my annoying pet peeves. I'm not sure at this point. I'm more tired then anything. EDIT: You know what? An idea just hit me. I'll just have both "Anthro" and "Non-Anthro" characters in my comic. Difference? Your pet dog, Fido, can talk to you ladies and gentlemen. (Like the relationship between Peter and Bryon in "Family Guy") I could make a whole storyline based off just that point. Except for chickens. Chickens will always be stupid, and hungry little anthro foxes need to be served chicken ever night on the dinner table. But it's just a thought. The sci-fi thing still very much intrigues me.

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:17 am

"I'm the boss, it doesn't have to make sense!"

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:50 pm

Hmm...true, true. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... s/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Muninn · Postby **Muninn** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:53 pm

You could make it so any Anthro is an alien species, not from this Earth. Since you're leaning towards sci-fi; alien species, inter-planetary travel and interaction between them is justified. Or you could say Anthro's are the evolved forms of non-anthro's, as is done in the Gene Catlow universe (i'm not too sure on this though). Like in that comic you could have human and furry antagonism with a race-like segregation between the two. This still allows alien species though, since in Gene Catlow (as was recently revealed) amphibians (though they have semi-anthro physical appearences) are of alien descent who adapted their bodies to Earth's environment. This is all if you still want to do a sci-fi strip or a strip with both anthro's or humans of course.

Talitha · Postby **Talitha** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:37 pm

Well...I've been doing a lot of thinking about this. I took some of your suggestions into consideration, and I'm sticking with sci-fi, but I think I might add a little bit of fantasy in there as well. I'm seriously considering just making up a new universe, and going with the dimensional breech/anthro evolved from non-anthro theory approach. (World building is FUN!!) Reason being, I think I could make that work. I could "tweak" a few certain myths, and it'd sort of be like the furry version of Final Fantasy. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... iggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> I was just thinking about it, and I got so many ideas in my head, and I realized that I could do a lot with this, if I could organize my thoughts. I don't know why, but the image of an anthropomorphic fox crossing over into our reality and getting the wrong impression of a chicken farm and just pulling out a high-powered laser rifle and sharp-shooting all the chickens on sight just cracked me up. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /> Thanks for all your suggestions and help guys. If there is anything at all you wish to see in the comic, just let me know. I've finally decided what I want to do with it. <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Holyman83 · Postby **Holyman83** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:25 am

I for one want to see them... and I think most of the people here would too.

Ozymandias · Postby **Ozymandias** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:54 am

I respect you - I tried to start a comic about a month ago, and I got as far as characters, and situation, and everything, but I blanked on the storyline <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ns/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />. It had a name and everything...anyhaw, I look forward to seeing this. Good luck!

Gizensha · Postby **Gizensha** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:36 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: (Septimius Severus @ Oct 30 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'>  <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'>Quote: </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> As for explaining humans and anthros in the same universe, you could go that 'humans are the evolved forms of chimpanzees. Anthromorphic foxes are the evolved forms of foxes". Though, to be honest, the chances of multiple sentient (and dominatory as well as humanoid, lets not go down the 'are animals sentient?' line of thought, please [why, yes they are. But like I said, lets not go down that avenue]) species evolving on the same planet seems unlikely.</td></tr></table>  But Chimpanzees are not unevolved humans. They may come from a common ancestor, but they have adapted to their environment for the past 3 million years since the ape species that generated chimpanzees and humans began to diverge into distinguishable forms. To say chimpanzees are "unevolved" is like saying sharks are "unevolved" tuna, or that frogs are "unevolved" reptiles. This suggests that evolution has direction and a goal. This is false. Evolution is the result of genetic tendencies being favored for reproduction of fertile offspring.  </td></tr></table>  I was grossly simplifying.

Burning Sheep Productions · Postby **Burning Sheep Productions** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:03 am

Okay, if you wanna hear my opinion of a comic I'd wanna read then it's: - No humans (unless you make fun of them) - I like that idea of an anthro with a non-anthro pet that can still communicate, that's unique - Humor, or maybe something that's kinda like the mind of an animal - Fangs and claws *tingles.* But then, when something is good enough it don't havta follow no guidelines.

Henohenomoheji · Postby **Henohenomoheji** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:16 pm

Hey! I'm human! Don't be so racist. ...Besides, if there are no humans, who're the bad guys gonna be? <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /> Hey, I'm human, I'm allowed to make cracks at my own race <img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />

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