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[NHJ BV]

<!--QuoteBegin-Antoine Bruce+Nov 30 2005, 01:33 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Antoine Bruce @ Nov 30 2005, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-norsenerd+Nov 30 2005, 03:25 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (norsenerd @ Nov 30 2005, 03:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> There probably will.  You never know when a tar pit will swalow one up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I think I threw my last computer into a tar pit once I started getting the Blue Screen of Death &#153; every ten minutes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br><br>A pity when replacing a stick of RAM would probably have fixed that at a cost of maybe $30 <!--emo&:wag:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... ailwag.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tailwag.gif' /><!--endemo--> <br><br>And my parents still have a working XT. At least, it worked over a year ago when we last tested it. It's now up in the attic (scary music plays here) collecting dust.<br><br>EDIT: the forums can't handle the Euro-sign apparently. My post suddenly appeared correctly when I replaced it with $. When using the euro-character it cuts off my post there <!--emo&:ph34r:--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /ph34r.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ph34r.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[NHJ BV]

EDIT: forums are acting weird

[Steve the Pocket]

<!--QuoteBegin-Northern_l33tness+Nov 30 2005, 02:57 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Northern_l33tness @ Nov 30 2005, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-FelixSoftpaw+Nov 30 2005, 07:24 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (FelixSoftpaw @ Nov 30 2005, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bocaj Claw+Nov 29 2005, 10:22 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Bocaj Claw @ Nov 29 2005, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <br>Are we assuming that there would be intact computers for archeologists to look through? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Probably, there are a few freaks like me who keep a veritable museum of old computers in perfect working condition for ages. I still have my first 286, and it still runs <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I see your 286 and raise you my dad's IBM XT!!!<br><br>Oh wait, he tossed it. Crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I still have several Commodore 64s, and an <a href='http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/a1000/' target='_blank'>Amiga 1000</a>, although admittedly we haven't tried using them in ages. Our ATs, XTs, etc. have all been pitched, in most cases because they quit working. Though our lab here at school still has one of the original (presumably working) IBM-PCs -- the kind with the giant floppy drives.

[Foxchild]

<!--QuoteBegin-NHJ BV+Nov 30 2005, 07:43 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (NHJ BV @ Nov 30 2005, 07:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> EDIT: forums are acting weird <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I believe this happened when the site was last hacked. The characters use to work, to my knowledge.

[Richard K Niner]

Those characters stopped working when the server moved.

[Antoine Bruce]

EDIT: Okay, I tried to use a quote, and something weird happened. Move along...<br><br>

[norsenerd]

Keep in mind that ages from now the CD's may nto run in a CD player (or DVD's in a DVD player) but by triny realy hard (especialy with their advanced technology) they will be able to be read. We can read ancient papryus scroles using the right imaging equpment even though the texxt is no longer visable wihtout any aids.<br><br>The other posability is that large amounts of information may end up sticking around in cyberspace for a realy long time (as logn as there's cyber space). Information dons;t have to be located at just one postiion. It can be moved around and in the future they're may be a system of storing information on several servers located seperety and interfacing. If the sever that hosts the blog lasts long enough for this to happen it;s lickly that at-least pices of this entry may be aroudn for a realy long time.

[Bocaj Claw]

Thats the thing though. Recovered literature from yon days was printed on something durable. Like stone. How long does a server last without upkeep?

[norsenerd]

Paparus is durable?<br><br>This may happen withen 50 years. The server will have to have data for that long only then. Then the individual servers dont; have to stay up as long as the information would be in the sea of data.<br><br>Stuff stored on CD's and DVD's would stilb e good. To a lesser extent flopies and hard drives may be able to salvage some information form.

[Tavis]

There's a difference between keeping it functioning and keeping it readable. A server may become totally unusable and yet it is possible for a forensic team (or future archaeologists) to extract the device, determine its physical condition when it was being destroyed and disposed, and then proceed to collect data from its drives.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-Tavis+Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> There's a difference between keeping it functioning and keeping it readable. A server may become totally unusable and yet it is possible for a forensic team (or future archaeologists) to extract the device, determine its physical condition when it was being destroyed and disposed, and then proceed to collect data from its drives. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Store it near a strong magnet, however, and wave bye bye to any readability it may have had.

[Richard K Niner]

<!--QuoteBegin-Gizensha+Dec 1 2005, 03:53 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Gizensha @ Dec 1 2005, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tavis+Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> There's a difference between keeping it functioning and keeping it readable. A server may become totally unusable and yet it is possible for a forensic team (or future archaeologists) to extract the device, determine its physical condition when it was being destroyed and disposed, and then proceed to collect data from its drives. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Store it near a strong magnet, however, and wave bye bye to any readability it may have had. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> You'd be amazed how hard it is to render data on a hard drive unreadable.<br><br>The typical recommendation is to break the discs into tiny pieces.

[Gizensha]

<!--QuoteBegin-Richard K Niner+Dec 1 2005, 01:04 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Richard K Niner @ Dec 1 2005, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gizensha+Dec 1 2005, 03:53 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Gizensha @ Dec 1 2005, 03:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tavis+Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Tavis @ Dec 1 2005, 04:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> There's a difference between keeping it functioning and keeping it readable. A server may become totally unusable and yet it is possible for a forensic team (or future archaeologists) to extract the device, determine its physical condition when it was being destroyed and disposed, and then proceed to collect data from its drives. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>Store it near a strong magnet, however, and wave bye bye to any readability it may have had. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>You'd be amazed how hard it is to render data on a hard drive unreadable.<br><br>The typical recommendation is to break the discs into tiny pieces. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> I thought it was to overwrite the data seven times with random serieses of 1s and 0s.

[Foxchild]

<!--QuoteBegin-Gizensha+Dec 1 2005, 10:22 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Gizensha @ Dec 1 2005, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> I thought it was to overwrite the data seven times with random serieses of 1s and 0s. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Or through it in a microwave turned onto high.

[norsenerd]

Put it under enough heat and prexsure and it will become somethign new.<br><br>Thoug a few thousand years form now they'll probably be able to read it.<br><br>Yes I'm talkign about them. The future futureistic iliminaty.