The stupid man's Ozy and Millie

[Muninn]

I'm fairly sure that isn't from Calvin and Hobbes but the phrase rock bottom may have been in the strip in some other form. I don't know whether it was in Peanuts, with fifty years of strips it's diffucult to remember let alone know all of them.

[Foxchild]

I don't know why, but that does hit me more as a peanuts line than a C&H line, but i am <b>nowhere</b> near knowing even close to <b>a quarter</b> of peanuts or C&H well enough to make such a call with any certainty. hmm, lemme think....<br><br>*tries something*<br><br>*comes up near blank*<br><br>Well, i googled the phrase, and found that the word "hands" seems to have been replaced by "throws" in an 'inspirational office poster' gag that has been around since the late 1990's. oh well, i'm off! *dashes to class*

[Zylo]

It's not C&H. I have every book and have read them numerous times. I don't recall that at all from C&H.

[Henohenomoheji]

Stupid question:<br><br>Has he dumbed it down yet?<br><br>I'm feeling sorta suspicious that he has, but...

[Foxchild]

Oh yeah, a while ago in fact. I pointed that out a bit in the current strips forumtoo. Take a look, and you'll notice that all the recent storylines have a lot less of a point to them in terms of final moral (even fake ones) and philosophy. Also, there haven't been any words that you could even question the meaning of. O&M use to have words sporadically thrown in that one might have to look up in order to fully comprehend the joke, or derive the meaning from the surounding words. Also, puns are far less prevolant. Type - A as compared to Teipay (i know thats spelled incorrectly, but you know the strip i'm speaking of, i'd say!)<br><br>Finally, the story lines seem to actually have more going on in them to catch your attention quickly, stuff thats more outrageous than the older stuff... like millie driving a truck full of mercury, as compared to trying to mug her mother for pocket money and failing. its not a humungous change, ut at the same time... it really is... <!--emo&-_---><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /sleep.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sleep.gif' /><!--endemo--><br><br>I will point out that there still is the political subcommentary! actually, that may be considered political supercommentary, because it's displayed so far to the front, it's almost mist each time.

[Steve the Pocket]

Yeah, I can imagine that if "O&M" ever gets syndicated it will seem very different. First of all, it would have to start over at the beginning and skip over all the political jokes, which wouldn't make sense anymore. It would be interesting to see if he could weave subtle satire like the kind he has now into the older stories! Personally I'd like to see how he'd handle rewriting the stories that he said he'd be doing very differently if he got to do them over, like the first Captain Locke story.

[Foxchild]

no, political jomes would still be game, if done tastefully. there are synicated comics tht touch on those matters all the time. <br><br>... and yeah, i wonder how he WOULD rewrite the locke story!

[Holyman83]

That would be cool!!

[Steve the Pocket]

I meant the political jokes he's already done, like Avery speaking Pig-Latin and Millie claiming that getting punished will just "make my approval ratings skyrocket." Things that wouldn't work anymore. Anyway, he'll probably just insert new ones in, although they'll have to be the kind he's doing now, the ones that work on both levels, so that they'll still be funny years from now.<br><br>Plus, keep in mind what David says in <a href='http://www.ozyandmillie.org/words22.html' target='_blank'>this essay</a>: he'd rather his strips be accessible than political. Even the "vanquishing evil" story works on a second level; I can almost imagine Calvin doing that stuff.<br><br>So let's hope whatever he's working on turns out to be excellent!

[Henohenomoheji]

I for one, would be satisfied with getting only two strips a week once Mr. Simpson got his free time back so that he could give us 5 a week, if those two were quality and the other three were the kind the media wanted.<br><br>But that other comprimise he thought up was good too... I guess...

[Ruedii-X]

<!--QuoteBegin-5hfifty+May 4 2004, 11:08 PM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (5hfifty @ May 4 2004, 11:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Wow... That is news. I'm eager to find out what happens of this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> <!--QuoteBegin--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> </td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Wow... That is news. I'm eager to find out what happens of this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br>I think it's what happened to me too when I reached the 2nd year of college. He learned the horid truth that political censorship never disappeared.<br><br>You can say that "George W. Bush likes to live puppies, and feasts on boiled babby heads" till your blue in the face on National TV, but don't you dare say "Sit Coms are dumbed down because the public feels offended if they can't predict what will happen." (the statement that got Futurama's ratings "assisinated" by Fox) or "What good will protesting China's invasion of Tibette here do?" What almost got Ozy and Millie pulled from David's college paper, before they realized that the objecting protestors would probably protest that act of censorship as they were only seeking attention. Other examples of banned topics for most newspapers are "Is it not ironic to FORCE the government cafeterias to call 'French Fries', 'Freedom Fries'" It's all pretty stupid the things that offend people here in the States.

[Henohenomoheji]

Futurama was resurrected. You can watch it at 11:00 on weekdays on the adult swim.

[Ruedii-X]

<!--QuoteBegin-Henohenomoheji+Dec 2 2004, 07:36 AM--> <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' ><tr><td class='quotetop'><b>Quote:</b> (Henohenomoheji @ Dec 2 2004, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quotebody'> Futurama was resurrected. You can watch it at 11:00 on weekdays on the adult swim. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table> <!--QuoteEEnd--><br> Only reruns of season 1 and 2, they refuse to sell them Season 3 (the season that got cancled mid way through) or make the proposed Season 4 from the existing scripts. They are also becoming very spiteful of Time-Warner because the reruns are getting better ratings than the shows did when new, thus proving that it was assasinated by Fox executives.

[Steve the Pocket]

I thought the biggest problem syndicates had with O&M was its complicated premise. It had nothing to do with satire. Ironically, Simpson's main submissions to synicates occurred early on in the strip's existence (or so I would gather) when it wasn't really complicated at all. Heck, it didn't even <i>have</i> a premise back then, just characters! You throw in stuff like Captain Locke and the Dragon Conspiracy, though, and then it gets messy. But it's still nothing like, say, "Kevin and Kell." (Heck, that was confusing right from the start!) So...I dunno.<br><br>One thing we can be sure of, though...if he can successfully create a comic that appeals to a mainstream (as in stupid) audience, then once it takes off it'll be a major hit. No doubt about it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://definecynical.mancubus.net/forum ... /smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Foxchild]

Well, I believe the early strips were rejected due to lack of human characters in the strip, and that is all. Kind of a stupid reason, if you ask me, but who am I to say.